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Hi there, this is Portland Air Traffic Control Tower, Portland.

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Yes sir.

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I guess I have a UFO report for you.

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Okay.

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Do you have a fill in the blank form or where do you want me to start?

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Is this something that was reported recently?

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Yes, last night.

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Okay, can we get the party's name?

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Okay, I got four people.

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Okay.

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Actually, five people.

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These four gentlemen work for Delta Airlines at Portland, Maine.

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Okay.

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Okay, they're either mechanics and or ramp agents.

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Okay.

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Great.

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Next party.

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And you have all the eye witnesses.

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The first four gentlemen, we'll go ahead and maybe you should ask me the questions

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and I'll give you the answers.

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That's probably be more effective.

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But just a quick description of what they saw.

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Well, what they drew, these four people pretty much agreed that it was oval shaped.

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Actually, what they drew, it looked like a fedora hat basically.

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Okay.

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Maybe they asked it may to be the top part of it was say 30 feet high.

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Actually, when he draws it looks like your typical flying saucer basically.

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Okay.

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What they said was they were on the ramp at Portland.

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This was around 10.30 last night.

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And three of the people were on the ground.

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The other individual was in the airplane.

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They were working on the airplane.

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And they were looking up at the cockpit.

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So they were, you know, on the ground looking up and they saw this thing in the sky.

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They estimated it to be about between 1,000 and 1,500 feet above ground level.

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Moving across the airport to the south.

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Say about 40 miles an hour, 40, 50 miles an hour.

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And they could detect no sound from this thing at all.

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Okay.

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And one of them or two of them said that there were no lights like navigation lights or anything like that.

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But that at one point there was this brownish glow that the whole thing was glowing very dimly.

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Okay, I got it.

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Okay.

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And this other guy, what's his name, was in an airplane coming up towards Portland.

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And I was a controller on duty at the airport and I estimated this thing to be, you know, after I had interviewed these people,

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I estimated this thing should be down southwest of Portland by, say, 15 miles or so.

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And I ran the radar out and there was a target out there.

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So I asked this guy to go over and take a look at it.

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And I had this guy vectored right on top of this thing and he saw it momentarily.

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And they both said that this thing glowed like a dull brownish glow momentarily and then disappeared.

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And I had him vectored right over top of the thing and back and forth and then they saw it momentarily and then the thing disappeared.

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They couldn't see it any longer.

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And he was out there a good 15, 20 minutes, you know, without ever spotting it again.

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Did it leave your screen at the same time?

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No.

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I had a good target on it the whole time.

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He was around it for maybe 10, 15 minutes while I tracked it.

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P's radar also tracked it. P's Air Force Base radar tracked it.

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They finally lost radar contact with it about 22 miles southeast of P's.

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Okay.

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What time did this all occur?

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This was between, well, it was over the airport at Portland around 10.30 or so.

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And let me see my notes here.

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Zero, three, two, zero, which had been 11, 20.

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The target was at 195 at 19 from Portland, tracking about 195 degrees at about 40 to 50 knots.

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Okay.

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We get a strong return.

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Strong return, yeah, just like an airplane.

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You know, sometimes you see a flock of birds and a change of shape, you know.

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You get a good return and then the next hit you don't.

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This was a good solid return the whole time.

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Okay.

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Called the weather service and they said they didn't have any.

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The last balloon they had sent out, the Ray's own balloon was up at seven o'clock.

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And when I asked these ramp guys, could it have been a balloon, they said no.

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Okay.

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All right, sir, could we get your name?

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Yeah.

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I'm the air-raised supervisor to control tower at Portland.

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Well, we sure appreciate the information and if we get any follow-up on this, we'll get back to you.

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Now, P's Air Force Base, the controller's there also, saw this thing on radar.

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Okay.

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And what was the other thing that I wanted to tell you?

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This thing got to within about five miles of the president's residence up at Kennebunkport.

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And I talked to the Secret Service last night and also this morning.

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And they would like to, I guess the main thrust is they don't want this publicized.

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They want it investigated, certainly, but not publicized because it's a pretty sensitive type thing.

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So that's their main concern.

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They certainly want it investigated, but they don't make it do without the media finding out about it.

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If you need anything, you can also talk to those people too.

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They'd probably be interested in it.

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And finding out what it was too.

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They're probably going through their channels, whatever they are.

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Right.

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Where are you located?

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We're in Seattle.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Just a curiosity.

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Don't you guys have any direct lines in the NORAD or anybody like that?

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No, but they all carry our number.

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They do.

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And when people call them, why, they refer them to us right away.

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They do.

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Yes.

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Do they ever call you back and ask about what goes on or anything like that?

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No, they don't.

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It's a matter of fact.

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Well, that's really strange.

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Well, they're pretty much out of it, at least officially.

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They are pretty much out of it.

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And they don't put any time into it, but they do cooperate.

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Okay, Bob.

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Thanks very much.

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Thank you.

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That'd be interested to find out what goes on.

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Okay, that's all right.

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Thanks very much.

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UFO reporting center.

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Have you had anything more on what was reported last night?

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Not a word.

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Nothing from anybody?

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Of course, that doesn't mean other people didn't see it.

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We figured that for every report we get, well, there's probably a thousand that we don't get.

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So pretty big odds there.

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Well, I was just wondering if anybody, any other government agency got in touch with you?

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No.

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Reference to this thing?

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No, they didn't.

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That's really strange.

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I was going over the Winds of Loft from last night.

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And basically, the Winds of Loft really don't line up with, had it been a free-floating object,

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it doesn't make sense that it would be tracking the way it had been tracking.

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Yes.

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And at those speeds, for instance, at between one and two thousand feet, it was like between

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three thirty-five and three forty at about eighteen knots, which three thousand feet

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it was three forty at twenty.

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And we don't get up into the twenty-five knot range until you're up to ten thousand feet,

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and then it's still out of the Northwest, three twenty-five and twenty-five.

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First time we come up winds at fifty knots, it's up at flight level two zero zero,

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and even at that it's still three fifteen at fifty, which means that this thing was tracking

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one ninety-five to two hundred degrees, it was tracking against a kind of crosswind.

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Yes.

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Which, pretty interesting to me.

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I forgot to ask you, did that pilot ever give an estimate of the diameter of the object?

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Yeah, around three hundred feet, he thought.

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Okay.

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About three hundred feet.

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And before he told me, before he made any mention to what he thought he saw, he asked his wife,

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and he said, I know what I think I saw.

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You tell me what you think you saw.

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And she described exactly what he saw.

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He was just in here about fifteen minutes ago.

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Oh, okay.

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And he's going to be away for the next week or so.

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He's got to get down to Trinidad to purchase some seafood or something, then he'll be back.

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But, you know, we were sitting here talking about this thing, and we can't figure out how this thing could be.

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If it was one of these high-altitude balloons, so to speak, and these real long, huge balloons,

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we wouldn't think it would be going along at fifty knots for one thing.

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And the other thing is we don't see how it could possibly be tracking against a quartering wind.

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Well, not only that, it would be ascending too, at the same time.

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Yeah.

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So, and also, I don't know whether these things are coded.

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It would have to have been coded with some type of metallic material to produce a radar return the way it had.

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I mean, I got just as strong a return from this object as I did from the aircraft when it was out there circling around it.

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So, you know.

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Yes.

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The only other thing is that I could see, I've seen large flocks of geese and things like that.

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They'll certainly produce speeds that great and also give you a return.

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It's just as strong as I observed.

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But there's no doubt about it.

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They certainly wouldn't produce this glow we're talking about.

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Not only that, you've got that close video from the aircraft, too, which will eliminate that.

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Sure.

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So, well.

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And that, the President's retreat there, isn't that restricted airspace?

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It's prohibited airspace.

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Okay, for what diameter?

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Well, it's normally a one mile radius of the point, but when he's here, it's a three mile radius, six miles across.

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Which would have put this object probably three miles from the edge of the prohibited area,

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maybe six or seven miles or so, something like that, from the center of this thing and passed to the east of it.

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Yeah.

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So, I'm surprised that the Air Force didn't scramble it's heading on that.

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Well, it would have had a tough time probably, you know, tracking something at 50 knots.

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Yeah.

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If you said scramble one helicopter, that would have been it.

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Yeah.

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That would have been the ticket.

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But I guess I don't understand why the lack of, when you get something like this,

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I would have think there's been more of a procedure in place.

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And people, you know, that you call this guy, he calls him, he does this, and this guy gets airborne.

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Yeah.

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But it doesn't seem to be that, you know.

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And you had no other calls on it?

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No.

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Okay.

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You had no other calls on it, the Delta guys?

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No.

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No.

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You have drawings of this, the sketches of the Army?

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Yeah, I had a Delta guy draw it out and describe it.

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I mean, it's really very sketchy.

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I mean, if you draw like a fedora had, it's basically that.

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Okay.

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Everybody, everybody to a person said that it was elliptical.

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You know, are you familiar with approach plates, a pilot's approach plate to an airport?

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There's a like, what they call something like a fan marker.

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It's elliptical in shape.

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And they said, like a football.

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Oh, okay.

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Like a football basically.

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Flat or turned up?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's just like a football.

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Flat.

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You know, flat.

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Yeah, okay.

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And shape.

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It's funny because, you know, the guy over at Delta and the guy, you know, in the airplane,

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half hour later, 45 minutes later, described the same thing.

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Which, you know.

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So, you know, that's all I have.

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Okay.

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Well, if we get any calls on it, you'll be the first to hear about it.

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Oh, thanks a lot.

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Okay.

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Appreciate it, Bob.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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A couple of reporting center.

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Hi, Bob.

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How are you?

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Anything more on that thing from Saturday night?

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Not one word.

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I can't believe this.

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Yeah, it's very strange.

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I can't believe this.

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Like I said, there could have been a lot of other people who saw the object and just chose

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not to report it.

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But there haven't been any inquiries from any other federal agencies or anything?

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Nothing.

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That's kind of disappointing to the truth.

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Yes, it is.

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I was hoping for more calls.

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Well, what do you do with this information?

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Just file it away for future reference or what?

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Yeah, we just have to sit on that and just hope that somebody will call on it.

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Of course, it's considered a very good report anyway, but we'd still like to get some more

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brown witnesses.

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Okay.

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What kind of stuff do you look for when you have a situation like this?

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Just another report of the same nature?

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Is that basically it?

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Yeah, confirmation by other witnesses is what we would be after.

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I just listened to the tape of the conversation I had with the people on the ground.

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Yes.

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It was interesting.

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They said it was a huge white object.

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And then when I went over and talked to them and interviewed them, they said it was dark.

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Okay.

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And then just for a moment, it had this brownish glow to it, which doesn't get sense to me,

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but I don't know.

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As it got further away, it might have appeared like a dark object or something.

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And it was right over the field that could have appeared white or something like that.

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But I don't know.

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That's really strange.

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What I find interesting again is the fact that the guys on the ground describe something.

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And then the guy in the airplane 35 miles away, half hour later, reported the same thing.

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Yeah.

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Basically.

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Well, if geese glowed, I would say it was a large flock of geese.

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Just, you know, like I said, I see returns like that.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Well, I'll keep waiting.

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Hopefully something will happen with this thing.

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Okay.

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We'll sure let you know if we get anything.

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Okay.

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See you, Bob.

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Thanks for calling.

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Thanks very much.

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Okay.

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This is Bob Gribble with the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.

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Hi, Bob.

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How are you?

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Fine.

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I have a point of inquiry.

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Did you ever get any more input on that case in last August?

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Which one was that?

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The one where the object was seen over the airport.

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Not a word.

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I was hoping you would.

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Okay.

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I haven't had a word at all.

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Nothing.

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Okay.

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What about those pilots, the people who saw the thing from the aircraft?

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Did they ever have anything more to say?

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He came in here.

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When I talked to him extensively.

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And he talked to the chief.

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And there was just, you know, there was nothing.

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Nothing else came of it.

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And I'm really kind of disappointed to tell you the truth.

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I don't know why there wasn't anything else, but it just died.

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I guess nobody else, the only people that I know were the Delta people, you know, in

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the ground and then there was this guy that was airborne.

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But I haven't heard anything.

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I was sort of hoping over the past months that you would have had something else and

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you would have called me with it.

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But I haven't heard a, I haven't even talked to the Delta people again, which I probably

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would have taken over and taken.

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I don't see a thing.

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Okay.

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Well, the reason, the main reason I called was I got a letter from a guy in San Francisco.

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Well, no, San Francisco area.

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And for years he has specialized in pilot sightings.

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And he was inquiring.

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He says, have you heard anything about this reported sighting over, was it Kenny Bunkport?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's the president's hideout.

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And he wanted to know if I had any information on it.

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And I thought, gee, that's strange.

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Where did he get it?

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I don't know.

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That's just it.

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This was San Francisco?

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Yeah.

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What was he?

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Was he a pilot?

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No, he used, I believe he's retired, but he used to work for NASA.

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Yeah.

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Down there.

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Did you ask him where he got his information?

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No, this was in letter form.

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So I haven't had a chance to get back to him.

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What's the guy's name, you know?

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Uh, hold on a second.

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I got an airplane.

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Can you hold on one second?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, that's okay.

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Yeah, his name was Richard Haynes.

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H-A-I-N-E-S.

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I thought maybe somebody back there did some talking to the press or something.

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No, no.

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No, no, no, no.

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No, never had, never had, uh, never went that route.

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Okay.

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No, not a thing.

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Now you were going to send me a copy of that pilot's letter or report.

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Uh, I didn't send that to you, huh?

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No.

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Okay, let me, let me take myself a note here.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah, the guy, did you got the one?

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Remember that one?

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June or July?

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Uh, what was that again?

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The guy was on the road.

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Remember the guy was coming down 95 on the road?

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Oh, yes, yeah.

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Yeah.

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He came back up here, physically.

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And, uh, you know, I wanted to know if there was anything more in it.

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And I said, not a word.

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Huh.

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There was, there's two, right there.

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Absolutely not.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that's a pretty sensitive issue.

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Okay.

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The other one about, the other one about, uh, you know, Gus, that shit, you know, I don't

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see, I don't see any problem with that.

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That was done, you know, as, you know, per the, per the order that police were notified.

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Yeah.

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You were, and I even had the guy checked out.

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I even talked to the police and had the guy checked out and he was okay.

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Okay.

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He wasn't a cougar or anything.

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So I, you know, that's why I called you with it.

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Very good.

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The only thing that was out of, you know, not exactly to regulation was the fact that

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I called you.

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Yeah.

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Basically right in the book it says we're supposed to furnish him with the phone number

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for what the hell.

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He was right there and I said, you want me to do this?

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He said, sure, go ahead.

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And it was just a matter of, you know, I, I did the calling instead of just giving up

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the number.

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Yeah.

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So that was it.

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You know, you could do anything with that one that you want.

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But this guy's, you know, adamant as to what he, what he saw.

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Yeah.

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And you know, so the guy's at the airport in Portland.

405
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He had four guys saying all the same thing.

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It's hard to believe they didn't.

407
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And there wasn't something there.

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Right.

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So, you know, but I know it's nothing.

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It was done.

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Things might have been done at other levels that I'm just absolutely not aware of or

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privy to.

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I don't know.

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Well, maybe there's a possibility that some of those people on the ground or even the

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pilot and the party that was with him did a little bit of gossip, you know, things

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were spread word of mouth.

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Maybe they did, but nothing, nothing had to pay for us here.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And I'm glad of it too because I, you know, I swore a bottle to our friends down all

421
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further south here that, hey, you know, they just don't need that kind of stuff.

422
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Life is complicated enough with the job that you get.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

425
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Geez, I wish, God, I wish I knew more about these things.

426
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I'm just so ignorant of what has happened to date ever since this first started, you

427
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know, reporting these things first started.

428
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Why did the Air Force get out of the business?

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Just getting curiosity.

430
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Well, I think they had a Wildcat on their back and they wanted to get rid of it after

431
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19 or 20 years.

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I think they've got the answers and not only that, but from the good information that I

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have read, the CIA stepped in and says, hey, you guys are not doing this the way it should

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be done.

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You're talking too much.

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And as of now, just goodbye.

437
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Really?

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Yeah.

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But I think that they were glad to get rid of it.

440
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Because they had their big job to do and this was a pain in the ass.

441
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Yeah, but how do they get information from that?

442
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Now, do they come to you for information?

443
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No, but they do give out our number.

444
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They do.

445
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Yeah.

446
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And we know that they are conducting various investigations when these things are seen over

447
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military facilities, but they do it on the QT.

448
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I see.

449
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And when we know that they're operating, we just don't say anything and just let it go

450
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because we can understand their problem.

451
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And they had a heck of a one to...

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Well, I mean, the resources, the funds and manpower that were probably involved were

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staggering, I would think, at the time that these things would take.

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I mean, it's not like you're going downtown to investigate some one person or something

455
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like that.

456
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You know, you're talking about a lot of resources, a lot of people and time spent interviewing

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on it.

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Well, not only that, but we had information that they have their own reporting centers,

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for their own information intelligence and everything, and their own circuits going from

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facility to facility.

461
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It got to the point where the whole system was being clogged by UFO reports.

462
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Yeah.

463
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Yeah.

464
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Yeah.

465
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So...

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I just find it incredible that there are so many of these reports.

467
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You very rarely see, you know, very rarely hits the papers.

468
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Yeah.

469
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Well, I think...

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Did you get...

471
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You got that last copy of information we sent out, didn't you?

472
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What was that?

473
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Well, there was a phenomena research report and then the UFO setting updates attached to

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it.

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Did you send that to me directly?

476
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
No, I sent it to the tower.

477
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
Oh, I didn't...

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If they knew it was coming here, they probably kept it from me because, you know, they think

479
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I'm a cook.

480
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You want me to send some stuff directly to you?

481
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Oh, yeah.

482
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Yeah, if you have anything like that, don't...

483
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I mean...

484
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How about to your home address?

485
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,000
Well, if you send it right here out there, you can do it there or you can send it to

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the tower, but as long as it's just addressed to me, nobody else will open it, certainly.

487
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Fine, I'll get it in the mail.

488
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You got the address here?

489
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,000
Yeah, I got it out of your directory.

490
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Oh, okay.

491
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Yeah, that'd be super.

492
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000
But if you had already sent something to me and it wasn't addressed specifically to

493
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me, it was probably deep-sext.

494
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So, you know, it's like anything else.

495
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You're in that.

496
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Yeah, alright, I know.

497
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But it's like, you know, when I call down south here and I say, hey, you guys won't believe

498
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this, but, you know, I got to call this to you because I can't take any chances.

499
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And it's like you'd have to be kidding.

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I said, hey, do it with it what you want.

501
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I'm making the report, pal.

502
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Here it is.

503
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So, you know...

504
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I don't know.

505
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It's funny because you see this stuff like this happen in the movies.

506
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It's always the group, you know, they think you guys are nuts.

507
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And then only in the movies they're proven to be.

508
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And then there's always a happy ending.

509
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Yeah.

510
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You know, the guys always vindicated somehow, but I've yet to be vindicated.

511
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Dang.

512
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,000
I don't know, I'm just doing my job the best way I can.

513
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000
And somebody looks at me a little weird that's the way it goes.

514
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
I'm no mind reader and I don't have a crystal ball.

515
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,000
I can only go with the information as I see it.

516
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,000
Right.

517
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:22,000
And I'm certainly not in the habit or business or normally inclined to fabricate stuff like

518
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,000
this.

519
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000
So, you know, I'd rather do it and look like a nut than not do it and have something happen

520
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
and live with that the rest of my life.

521
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000
Okay.

522
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Well, I'll get the stuff in the mail for you and if I come up with anything additional

523
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
to that, I'll let you know about it.

524
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Okay.

525
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Are you the only person in this place?

526
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,000
No, there's two of us.

527
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000
Yeah, because every time I call out there, you're the only one working.

528
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Yeah.

529
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,000
Well, I'm retired so I got lots of time.

530
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Oh, I see.

531
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Okay.

532
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,000
Just one question.

533
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Did the military ever ask you for information?

534
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,000
Did they ever come to you and say, hey, you know, do you have any information on this

535
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000
thing or that thing?

536
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Occasionally.

537
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
It isn't something that happens all the time.

538
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Oh, really?

539
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:10,000
But we do get calls here from military bases giving us information and reference to names

540
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,000
and phone numbers and they do pass out our number frequently.

541
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
Oh, amazing.

542
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:27,000
In fact, this we got about the same coverage with the Weather Service and, well, all the

543
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:32,000
military bases, Army, Navy, Coast Guard and whatever.

544
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:39,000
Well, if I find anything more, I'll certainly not get this stuff mailed to you, but if you

545
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,000
find anything, don't hesitate to give me a call.

546
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000
Sure will.

547
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,000
I'm sure interested.

548
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000
Matter of fact, maybe I'll walk over and talk to these guys over and tell them to get in

549
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,000
with the next week or so.

550
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:56,000
You know, nose around and see if they still adhere to their story, basically.

551
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
I'll tell you what I'm going to do.

552
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000
I'm going to also send you some back issues of this stuff.

553
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000
You'll find that very, very informative.

554
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,000
I will.

555
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:11,000
I'll be the first to admit, hey, my knowledge of that is out of the movies.

556
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,000
I'm sure it's not real accurate.

557
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,000
You know, I'm going to get information as it really is.

558
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,000
Okay, thanks very much.

559
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,000
I appreciate it.

560
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Okay.

561
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Okay.

562
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
Thank you.

563
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Thank you.

564
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,000
Thank you.

565
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Thank you.

566
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000
Thank you.

567
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Thank you.

568
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,000
Thank you.

569
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,000
Thank you.

570
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Thank you.

571
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000
Thank you.

572
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,000
Thank you.

573
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
Thank you.

574
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000
Thank you.

575
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Thank you.

576
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
Thank you.

577
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Thank you.

578
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,000
Thank you.

579
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,000
Thank you.

580
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Thank you.

581
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Thank you.

582
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Thank you.

583
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
Thank you.

584
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,000
Thank you.

585
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Thank you.

586
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Thank you.

587
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,000
Thank you.

588
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Thank you.

589
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000
Thank you.

590
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Thank you.